I have talked about the peak performance coach Anthony Robbins multiple times on this website where I went so far as to claim that the primary reason for his enormous success is because of his great height and stature in the post “Could The Secret To Peak Performance Coach Anthony Robbins Be His Height And Size?”

In this video, Robbins states that he was 5′ 1″ in his Sophomore Year in High School. Over just 1 year’s time, he would grow almost an entire foot, 10 inches in extra height. That would put Robbins around 5′ 11′ when he was a junior. From watching a biography special on Robbins, it seems that his mother kicked him out of the house when he was still in high school, but I am not sure if it was during his junior or senior year in high school. He would eventually get his Diploma and started attending Jim Rohn Seminars, who would become his mentor. The problem with Robbins claim is that he would still be 8 inches short of his current claimed height of 6′ 7″. Given Anthony’s advanced age and intelligence, maybe he was still just 16 years old when he was a junior in high school. Some kids are 17 years old as a junior and others are 16, on average.

Important: It could be that one of Tyler’s points that maybe excess growth hormone can also slow down growth plate senescence could be valid although a recent post I wrote about the real effects of growth hormones challenge this point. Growth Hormone Therapy actually causes the growth plate senescence to be accelerated, not reduced. The other possibility is that excess growth hormone triggers some other unknown mechanism at this time which causes the growth plates to slow down the rate of senescence, possible involving the IGF-1 which has an affect on growth plate chondrocyte receptors in parallel with GH.

So did Anthony Robbin’s grow another 8 inches in height after his junior year in high school? He obviously has an excess of growth hormones going through his body but 8 inches?

Dr. Oz was quite good in bringing along a real live human brain to show Robbins where exactly the  pituitary gland is and how big it is. I am not sure about Dr. Oz’s credentials though to really talk too much in detail about gigantism and acromegaly. Under his Wikipedia article HERE is shows that Dr. Oz went to Harvard for undergraduate, got a Medical Degree from University of Pennsylvania’s Medical School and then got a MBA from Wharton. He is certified as a Cardiac Surgeon but his title might be closer to Cardio-Thoracic Surgeon.

Update #4 – Neglecting My Body And Height Increase Endeavor For Business – July 1st, 2013

This month went by really fast as I spent most of that time focused on doing more reading and research as well as building my own businesses and my girlfriend’s online business up. I have been neglecting my body as a result.

In term of weight, I actually gained 3 lbs. For height, I can not get an accurate measurement because my hair has grown quite long, to almost 2 inches long vertically. When I do a height measurement in the morning, I find that my height has not changed. Still have the few millimeters of increase from the first month, at least I think.

What I have done is started to take Vitamin K2 and Glucosamine Sulphate for any possible slight increased height since they are really good towards bone health and increased bone density. The glucosamine at high levels (>1000 mg) seem to really help with articular cartilage health. There is a very old article that says that Glucosamine Sulphate can increase people’s overall height by 2-3 mms on average. It was from the Daily Mail UK years ago entitled “Can A Pill Make You Taller In 4 Weeks?” The dosage was taking 1500mg of glucosamine sulphate daily.

• Glucosamine HCL 1500 mg & Chondroitin Sulfate 1200 mg – Price: $29.32 w/ Free Shipping
• Vitamin K2 (Includes the menaquinones MK-7, MK-8, and MK-9) – Price: $13.29 w/ Free Shipping for orders over $25

I am not sure if this supplement combination would help give me even 1 millimeter but it is still worth it since I have slightly weak knees from a college workout injury. It is worth a try.

The Vitamin K2 I am taking because it is supposed to heal teeth and even reverse cavities if they are small enough.

I have bought a clamp at the local hardware store and tried to squeeze the epiphysis in the last few days to see how it is going.

Someone said that I should try to take the formulations developed by Tim from the Adult Height increase blog but I don’t want to try that at this time. We are already having trouble using Amazon and getting the right address information inputted to deliver our supplements which we can’t find in Seoul. My landlord is the one who gets all the packages and he looks through everything. Some powdered stuff in a plastic bag probably would make him very suspicious.

In addition, I realized that my ability to focus and write these really long posts have decreased a lot since the heat and temperature is causing me to feel unhealthy and loss focus. I noticed that my stress level has been increasing and my girlfriend has been reacting bad to the heat and her new work schedule. So I bought some L-Theanine which I read helps a little with both memory, cognitive ability, and stress & anxiety reduction.

• L-Theanine, 200 mg – Price: $16.90 w/ Free Shipping for any orders over $25.

So what I did was look to try to buy some Piracetam and or Provigil to help my cognitive abilities. It turns out that Amazon even just a few months ago were selling Piracetam but now they have stopped selling them, since this Nootropic is not over the counter.

The website MyModafinil.net was selling Provigil or Modafinil but I looked closer at the package and what is actually sold is Modalert, but the way that they asked me to pay seemed to be a lot of hassle. They take Bitcoin but don’t take any normal credit cards. The company or service takes at least a few weeks before the nootropic type arrives and sometimes the border inspectors take it away. They can sell to many Asian countries like Hong Kong and China, but not South Korea. So I guess I can’t really get any high quality nootropics to help with my work yet.

Also, I currently have been thinking of going a much more minimalistic path in my life, and have started to remove even more objects that I realize that I don’t seem to use much. I have counted things out and realize that I have way too much stuff. Over the last month, I have given away or thrown out 40% of everything I own so that I can devote more time towards the more important things in life, relationships, wealth creation, and staying healthy.

Recently a women named Allison would write a brief message to the website telling me a rather interesting story about her own life which made me very curious.

First Message

Hi, I’m 25 and have grown an 1.5″ over the past year (measurements were confirmed at several different places at several different times of the day). I was 5’5″ at age 10 or 11 and only grew 3/4″ by my mid-teens. Most recently I was over 5’7″. The really odd thing is that I have DDD and my latest spinal MRIs have shown increased degradation. So if anything I should be shorter, not taller.

I did have a brain MRI in my teens and was told I had “an overly generous pituitary gland.” Do you think this could indicate an issue that needs to be examined by a neurologist?

My Reply

Your case is very interesting. Would you be interested in coming on to do a podcast episode on how your height has increased over the years?

Second Message

I’m a pretty nervous public speaker, so I don’t think I would be a good guest on a podcast. I’d be happy to answer any questions via email though.

I just spoke with my spinal orthopedist and he did say it was very unusual and the only potential cause he could think of was a pituitary adenoma. I was recently diagnosed with Ehlers-Danlos syndrome and joined an online support group for the condition. I’ve been talking to the online community and many have had a similar late life growth spurt, which is weird since most of us have osteoarthritis and should technically be getting shorter. So maybe there’s a link to EDS or maybe it’s just far more common than anyone has realized.

My Email To Her

Hello Allison,

First, I wanted to thank you for coming on the website and giving a comment about your condition and your late life growth spurt. This type of thing is something that I as a researcher have been searching for.

It is highly unusual for anyone to experience such a thing and I wanted to ask you a few questions about this.

1. First, would you mind telling me what website or forum you are getting the support for EDS?

My intention is to validate that your individual case is more common and has happened to other people. I am hoping to find maybe forum threads and posts which say that they realized that they have had an late life growth spurt to substantiate some claims.

2. I will be doing more research on your condition since it is a disorder I have not been aware off.

From just a quick look on the WebMDs and Wikipedia, your condition is extremely interesting and attractive as a research project.

3. It is perfectly okay that you don’t wish to come on the podcast. I will be happy to give your message to the listeners because they are desperate for some good news.

4. Can you tell me the numbers, like how tall you were before, how tall you are now, at what age you experienced the growth, and your growth pattern throughout life?

Thank you again for any clues on this endeavor.

Her Email Back

Hi Michael,

1. The Ehlers-Danlos National Foundation has a support forum on inspire.com.

2. If your intention is to further research the condition, they just opened up a dedicated research facility in Towson, MD at the Harvey Institute for Human Genetics. The leading authority on the condition is Dr. Francomano.

These are the two best websites for more information:

http://www.ednf.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1347&Itemid=88888968

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK1279/

4. I was taller than most kids for most of my childhood. By the time I was 10, I was already 5’5″ but only grew 3/4″ over the next couple of years and then stopped in my mid teens. I see my general practitioner two times a year (along with a host of specialists) who measures me at every visit. This past visit (I believe it was in August) I was measured at over 5’7″ without shoes on. Since then, the measurement has been replicated at other medical facilities.

A lot of people with EDS that I spoke with attributed the late growth spurt to pilates and physical therapy. We have a tendency to have many disc herniations, DDD, and pes planus, so I can see how orthotics and improved posture could add an extra inch. However, this has not been the case for me.

My Last Message

Thank you for your quick response.

I hope that you will find a way to minimize the pain. Is there anything I can do for you since you have been so helpful?

Her Last Message

Just help raise awareness on EDS! So few people (even doctors) really know what it is, making it difficult to seek medical care.

I was just trying to find reasons for the mysterious growth spurt and 99% of the sites I found were just sketchy people trying to convince others they had a magical pill to increase height. Your site was the only one I found that seemed honest and informative, so I was just hoping someone might have an explanation.

But I’m sure I’ll get some answers soon. I know most people would be happy to start growing again, but it’s so unusual that I don’t want to just assume it’s a benign occurrence and ignore it.

Thanks for the interest!

The Research

From the way this person was answering my questions it seems that they are being genuine and not lying about this type of occurence. She did claim that other people who was suffering the same condition as her, with a rare condition known as Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome also claimed that they saw increased height in adulthood, although she said at the end of our exchange of messages that they could have gotten that from pilates or physical therapy. Usually the Ehlers-Danlos should actually lead to reduced height since people develop scoliosis, arthritis, and other joint related problems from having such flexible joints and skin.

I would look at the website Inspire.com and find the Support Group she was talking about from typing in the term “Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome” into the search bar at the top. Click HERE for the results. I did not read through every comment or post but it seems that this condition causes a lot of pain which is often very hard to diagnose.

Many people would think EDS is actually fibromyalgia. The thing about Fibromyalgia is that it’s exact cause is not known. Fibromyalgia is often used as an umbrella term to refer to any type of pain that is in the joints, skin , and muscle as well as fatigue. In my opinion, the doctor is misdiagnosing the patient suffering from a still undiagnosed, unknown disorder at the time.

What often happens is that when a physician is not knowledgeable enough on a certain area of medical field, and their patient gives them the symptoms of fibromyalgia, they are too quick to call it fibromyalgia. The reason is because it is easy and simple. I personally believe that  the disorder known as  Fibromyalgia does not exist, but is actually the summation of a bunch of symptoms of something else that was never diagnosed accurately. It is a disorder/symptom created by unknowledgeable physicians to write off their patient’s pains.

So my research into this new disorder begins, with the usual google and wikipedia search. A search on Google turns up mainly the Wikipedia article on Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome

The two studies that she linked to are…

1. Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome, Hypermobility Type
2. What is Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome?

After spending a good half an hour reading up on the disorder, this is what I have learned so far.

From Allison’s 1st source, I would learn that the EDS type known as Hypermobility Type is the least severe. The skin is described to be soft and “mildly hyperextensible”. Dislocations happen a lot. This often eventually lead to degenerative joint disease. Chronic pain will set in and it will decrease both mental and physical well being. Bruising will increase.

To diagnose this condition, a proper family genetic history will need to be done. The actual mutation that causes this disorder is not known yet. The actual way that at least the hypermobility type of EDS gets transmitted is through autosomal dominant process, meaning that the child of a person with the disorder has a 50% chance of getting it, but if two parents with the mutation had a child, that child would have a 100% chance of getting it.

To manage this disorder, since there is no cure, people focus on pain management from medication and use wheel chairs, walkers, canes, and also get physical therapy to reduce the chance for skin tearing and joint dislocations. Extreme care is taken to avoid unneccesary injuries.

There is also a digestive system effect from the disorder. It causes all sorts of intestinal disorders like…

1. gastritis
2. reflux
3. delayed gastric emptying
4. irritable bowel syndrome

From Allison’s 2nd source, I would learn that EDS  actually is not one type, but has 6 types of disorders. It is mainly characterized by two conditions, which is the hypermobility of the joints where joints can be pulled much farther in directions and degrees than what it should normally be ale to to, and the stretchability of skin. The skin is usually soft and easy to break and bruise. It leads to scarring very easily and when the skin breaks, the ability of the scar to heal is decreased a lot.

It seems that Ehlers-Danlos syndrome is actually kind of common, currently believed to infected 1 out of every 3000 people on average and it does not discriminate on race or sex.

It is a genetic disease which is passed down hereditarily through two ways, autosomal dominant and autosomal recessive. It is rather hard to diagnose the condition of Ehlers Danlos Syndrome and it is harder to diagnose which type of Ehlers Danlos Syndrome someone might have out of the 6 that is currently classified. Thee disease does not really decrease life expectancy except when it has an effect on the vascular tissue structure’s integrity. The disorder does mean that even blood vessels can tear easily. If a major vein or aorta is torn, then that would lead to early death.

From Wikipedia I would learn…

It seems that Ehlers Danlos Syndrome is caused by a defect in the synthesis of Collagen, whether type I, III, or V. It is interesting that it is not stated that Collagen Type II synthesis is disrupted. That means that hyaline cartilage should still be relatively intact. Collagen is in tissue to resist deformation. If the collagen is removed, then the body looses it ability to push back against any type of mechanical outside stimuli, causing the body to deform and possibly break as a result of any heavy loading. The tissues that are made of Type 1, 3, and 5 Collagen will become more elastic and maybe even become plastically deformed.

The wikipedia article is much more advanced and longer than I cared to read so I will just cherry pick the parts which I felt is most important for the reader who is only interested in knowing whether the disorder might give us a clue on how to increase height in adulthood.

• The joints themselves develop hypermobility. 
• Osteopenia aka low bone density
• Stretchy ligaments and tendons which often leads to tearing
• Deformities of the spine can occur leading to scoliosis and kyphosis
• The joint also develops extremely high chance for dislocations and subluxations
• Chronic Degenerative Joint Disease
• Early onset of advanced osteoporosis

Implications For Height Increase Applications

Allison admits in our exchange of emails that it is more likely that many people have gotten an increase in height in late life because they started to get physical therapy and do pilates to eleviate pain from the symptoms of EDS. It seems that people who develop EDS end up more often on the extreme ends of height distribution. They are either extremely tall or extremely short. The arthritis and spinal issues which cause limb joint and vertebral curvature.

The only way to explain what happened with her, why she has seen increased height in adulthood, is probably is that because the joints are so hypermobilized and people with EDS basically have something similar to double jointedness, it is possible that her increased measured height is from her vertebrate, specifically cervical vertebrate being popped open slightly more when she stands up fully straight for a height measurement. There is no way that the knee joints can be popped up slightly due to joint hypermobility due to the laws of physics.

There is no way that a person can use muscle action to pull the upper part of their body higher from their lower leg portions, which is what would have to happen for a person to look taller for a height measurement since that would be the equivalent of someone pulling themselves up against the gravitational force of their weight and levitating.

There is a 2nd possibility on why her increase in height is possible

Since she did say that her doctor suspects she has pituitary adenoma and she was said to have had a larger than average pituitary gland in childhood, it could be that she does have an increase in GH release into her system than average. For most people, that increase in GH and the overactive pituitary gland would not lead to height increase.

However she has two disorders that is going on. The joint hypermobility that maybe her knee joint allows for the tibia and femur to be pulled slightly out of their sockets when she sits down. The GH increase floods the articular chondrocytes and causing the increase in articular cartilage thickness. When she stands up, the increase cartilage layer thickness means that she became taller.

I was reading an article today about how a person was able to edit Wikipedia articles to help with his online niche websites and I wanted to try to test this idea.

I have been using Wikipedia as a resource to do research since I was in college and it has been amazingly helpful and useful. It seems that anyone in the world can edit the Wikipedia articles as long as they are really being helpful and trying to create a better resource.

So I created my own Wikipedia account under the username Height_Analyst and did a slight edit on the articles for Low Intensity Pulsed Ultrasound and Epiphyseal Plate

Right after the sentence where it states that Dr. Chen of the University of Alberta thinks that LIPUS can possibly lead to “grow taller by stimulating bone growth” I added the sentence “However it has not been shown to be able to help in bone longitudinal growth when combined with bioengineered cartilage pellets for growth plate induced fractures”

I referenced this study from a university in Hong Kong of the Department of Orthopaedics and Traumatology where the researchers wanted to see whether LIPUS can contribute towards the bone longitudinal growth with a bioengineered cartilage pellet as the primary bone growth method which is used to repair an induced growth plate physeal fracture in lab rabbits and also lead to increased bone growth.

I wrote an old post about the study already in the past entitled “Bioengineered Cartilage Pellets And LIPUS For Longtitudinal Growth (Huge Breakthrough!)”

With the epiphyseal plate wikipedia article, I would add the sentence “Some studies have come out showing that growth plate cartilage has been successfully grown from autologous chondrocyte implants within alginate hydrogel scaffolds using a growth factor stimuli of RGD peptides” right after the sentence which states that beyond full epiphyseal plate closure, the only way to alter one’s height is through distraction osteogenesis.

The two sources that I cited was the post I wrote about the fact that the research and the original paper which showed that growing bone-cartilage mixtures that were very similar to epiphyseal cartilage has been grown entitled “Engineering growing tissues” by researchers at the University of Michigan at Ann Arbor more than a decade ago.

The main point of the 2nd edit was to show that the idea of combining tissue engineering principles with stem cell research have already created new growth plates. If orthopedic surgeons really wanted to, they can implant these growth plates into human bones and it will lead to renewed bone  growth.