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Changing The Gut Microbiome Definitely Causes People To Become Taller – Breakthrough!

Over the last 2 months I have definitely gone back into going deep into the research and I have made some quite startling connections and one of my theories on how it is possible to make people taller has definitely become validated by a study I found just a few days ago.

First, let me say that I have pored over hundreds of studies on the subject of pediatrics, growth, endocrinology, and biology. I have thousands of saved studies I still have not read in depth. When you spend this much time reading, analyzing and thinking about a subject, you start to see connections where maybe other people have not seen yet.

My initial theory on the link between the intestinal tract and the growth pattern of a person was started when I sat in at this thing called Mini-Medical School that the state school (University of Washington) close to my house. There was maybe a total of only 6-8 lectures, but 1 entire lecture was dedicated to a professor called about Fecal Transplantation.

Fecal transplantation is the medical process of taking a bit of the fecal matter from one person and putting it into the gut of another human, to change the microbiome, aka the bacteria composition. It sounds disgusting to the average person, but when I heard about the case where a obese female was turned permanently skinny (she could not gain weight afterwards no matter how much she ate) after she had the fecal sample of a skinny person implanted, my eyes were as big as saucers. Now I understood the power of fecal transplantation.

Since that time, I have looked for more studies which link gut bacteria composition to the person’s overall health. I have looked into probiotics, started drinking a lot of Kombucha tea, and looked for ways to optimize my gut health. One thing I have started to do is gone completely on the Soylent 2.0 diet (with avocado, garlic, aspirin, water, tea). I wonder what would happen to my overall health if I just stuck to really basic food elements.

If you think about it, it really does make sense. I once wrote about the possibility that babies will probably have better growth patterns when they stay on drinking their mothers milk than going on the formula too early, because of the colostrum and the casein content. Tyler proposed years ago in a blog post about the possibility of the link between taking casein and height increase but he did not consider colostrum as the other key active ingredient in human female milk.

We all know that the rate of growth is highest when we are just a baby. Our digestive tracts are still virgin, and not fully developed yet. Those critical component’s in the mother’s milk have antibodies and other active ingredients that basically gives the newborn all of the necessary stuff to grow their immune system fight pathogens (bacteria and virus) that will eventually come at the baby as it grows up and lives on as an adult. It is the mother’s milk that goes into the babies digestive tract, and this is probably the most important determinant of how well the baby will do later.

There are many studies which link the health of the digestive tract to onset of Alzheimers, Arthritis, and Periodontal disease even. To the average person trained in the traditional medical school, it wouldn’t make any sense how it is possible that there is any link between what is in our intestine and the health of our brain. They are two totally different organ systems, which rarely have any affect on the other.

That is actually true, for an adult, but if we reverse time, and put that person back as a baby, when they just came out of the womb, they are still begin developed neonatally, so it makes sense that you can change the overall health of the person as an adult with a few key actions when they are just a baby, since their fitness level and health potential can still be molded.

What I claim is possible is to basically take the fecal matter of another baby who has the genes for tall stature, and implant that fecal matter into the subject baby. Don’t do take the fecal matter of a human adult, because the fecal matter of a human adult is actually poisonous and potentially deadly, at least for the baby’s digestive system. There is a reason why we can use cow and bat fecal matter to use as fertilizer, but human fecal matter would just kill plants if you used it as fertilizer.

This will cause the still modifiable baby’s immune system to change to have the microbiome of a baby who is genetically predisposed towards tall stature. Think Shaq being 7′ 1”, whose mother was 6′ 2”, and how both of his grandfathers were supposedly 6′ 9” in height. There are definitely families in any population which have the genes for tall stature. The theory is that the baby who has the fecal implant will now became much bigger as an adult than if they didn’t get the transplant.

For further proof, I refer the reader to the study which validates this idea. “Gut microbiota induce IGF-1 and promote bone formation and growth”. The study is extremely new, just published Oct of 2016.

Abstract

Appreciation of the role of the gut microbiome in regulating vertebrate metabolism has exploded recently. However, the effects of gut microbiota on skeletal growth and homeostasis have only recently begun to be explored. Here, we report that colonization of sexually mature germ-free (GF) mice with conventional specific pathogen-free (SPF) gut microbiota increases both bone formation and resorption, with the net effect of colonization varying with the duration of colonization. Although colonization of adult mice acutely reduces bone mass, in long-term colonized mice, an increase in bone formation and growth plate activity predominates, resulting in equalization of bone mass and increased longitudinal and radial bone growth. Serum levels of insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1), a hormone with known actions on skeletal growth, are substantially increased in response to microbial colonization, with significant increases in liver and adipose tissue IGF-1 production. Antibiotic treatment of conventional mice, in contrast, decreases serum IGF-1 and inhibits bone formation. Supplementation of antibiotic-treated mice with shortchain fatty acids (SCFAs), products of microbial metabolism, restores IGF-1 and bone mass to levels seen in non-antibiotic- treated mice. Thus, SCFA production may be one mechanism by which microbiota increase serum IGF-1. Our study demonstrates that gut microbiota provide a net anabolic stimulus to the skeleton, which is likely mediated by IGF-1. Manipulation of the microbiome or its metabolites may afford opportunities to optimize bone health and growth.

My Conclusion

This very study shows that if you can adjust the gut microbiome of a baby lab mice, the long term, net result is that the grown up adult mice will have much longer and bigger bones. The process is that the gut has some way to stimulate the Liver and Adrenal Glands to release much more IGF-1 into the body. IGF-1 as we know is what growth hormone breaks down into which goes to the growth plates to make bones longer and wider.

Of course we must always be aware of the possibility that many times, transplants are rejected by the subject’s/host’s body. But that is a discussion for another day.

Tyler-Here’s a recent study I found:

40 YEARS OF IGF1: The emerging connections between IGF1, the intestinal microbiome, Lactobacillus strains and bone growth

“In most animal species, postnatal growth is controlled by conserved insulin/insulin-like growth factor (IGF) signaling. In mammals, juvenile growth is characterized by a longitudinal bone growth resulting from the ossification of the growth plate. This ossification is under IGF1 influence through endocrine and paracrine mechanisms. Moreover, the nutritional status has been largely described as an important factor influencing the insulin/insulin-like growth factor signaling. It is now well established that the gut microbiota modulates the nutrient availability of its host. Hence, studies of the interaction between nutritional status, gut microbiota and bone growth have recently emerged. Here, we review recent findings using experimental models about the impact of gut bacteria on the somatotropic axis and its consequence on the bone growth. We also discuss the perspectives of these studies in opening an entire field for clinical interventions.”

“Circulating IGF1 levels are highly dependent on the nutritional status.”

“two months after birth the GF[Germ Free] mice were 14.5% lighter and 4% shorter compared to CV mice. ”

“SCFA[short chain fatty acid] production may be one mechanism by which microbiota increase serum IGF1.”

A Simple Jaw Realignment Exercise Increased This Man’s Height Over 2 Inches.

A few months ago, I became aware of this website called ClaimingPower.com, written by this guy who said that his goal for the last half a decade was to change the overall shape of the face, by pulling the nose. The led to me getting in contact with other people who are working on the same type of project. This one guy shared to me that he found a much faster, more effective method to pull the face, to make the face more aesthetically pleasing.

We talked for about an hour on Skype and he said that it is possible to get this type of “facial realignment” change since the irregular bones that make up the human face (maxilla, mandible, occipital, etc.) are not fused. There are sutures between the bones which means that the bones can indeed move slightly. The last I heard from him, he had gotten a 6 figure initial investment and was trying to patent his technique.

So I wanted to understand and learn more about this interesting small world and who else has tried this bone remodeling idea. One name that came up a lot was Michael Mew, who has famously given talks at Men’s Self Improvement Conferences, specifically the 21 Convention, which used to be a convention were men in their 20s shared tips and techniques on how to pick up women.

A little more searching on Google revealed a few more relevant websites, but there was one website which caught my eye. Orgone Energy Products. This website is quite interesting and strange. What the website reminds me of is one of those really much older website designs you saw maybe back in the mid 2000s. Some products that are listed on there like CycloAstragenol are products which were really hot and talked about a lot by the media 5 years ago but has now died down. Could an extract from the Astragalus plant really help inhibit the shortening of telomeres and hold back aging? We are not sure.

There is one blog post entitled “Orgoneproducts Newsletter: New Hormone Enhanced Orgone Chembusters, (NCR) Nuero-Cranial Restructuring, and True Love.” writen back in Nov 2 (of 2015?) which made a strange claim.

Apparently from doing this simple jaw alignment exercise, this guy went from 6 2.5″ to almost 6′ 5″ in height.

Quote…

“The one natural solution for boosting testosterone levels in Men that I offer is TKO- Tongkat Ali an Indonesian herbal based formula that will raise testosterone levels. Hormones are a complete conversation in themselves, feel free to contact me for more info that I am hesitant to put into print…..The good news is even the worst case scenario can now be changed with consistent application of physical regenerative therapies, hormonal reset, continual immersion in high intensity life force fields. What types of physical regenerative therapies am I talking about? Three, specifically and a fourth to be talked about at a later date. First is Neuro-Cranial Restructuring, the short name is NCR, not to be confused with National Cash Register. NCR developed by Dr. Howell, is an advancement of endo-nasal therapy. It uses small nasal balloons to release connective tissue in the sphenoid bone. An NCR treatment is like unlocking a spring, allows for symmetry correction in the head, face, and spine. The balloon is inserted in one of the six nasal passages in the nose. There is a testing protocol to determine which nasal passage. The testing protocol is where the magic is found, diagnosing the correct nasal passage with each treatment allows for the least amount of force to be used to create the greatest movements without trauma. Each NCR treatment creates compound positive symmetry changes which results in correcting facial and spinal distortions over time. Incremental change leading to massive long term results. In my case, I have partially corrected a scoliosis in my spine that resulted in an increase in functional height of 2.5 inches. When I started I was 6′ 2″ and a half, I am now a shade under 6′ 5″. My head size increased as well as I my eyes became more level over a 5 year period. We now have a fulltime NCR practicioner, Plato Rosinke, in New York City. Plato has been trained by Dr. Howell and is one of the more proficient NCR practioners in the world.”

My Personal Interpretation – Now I don’t know how old this person is who writes the blog, or how bad his case of scoliosis is. However, he did claim that his height increased by almost 2.5 inches after this technique, which somehow straightened out his back. The truth is that most people have some level of curvature of the vertebrate. If this technique can somehow alleviate the level of curvature of the vertebrate, then this technique should work for the majority of the people in a population giving at least a fraction of a inch extra in height..

Not only that, he made another claim in a more recent post (June 24) that his shoe size also increased. “The Shoes Have It.. Starecta/Bite Block Changes: Shoe size jumps from 11-13.5

Quote…

“The starecta/bite block begins the reversal of the compensation process and the body unwinds and regains it’s natural symmetry. After three months on the Starecta, I was having almost daily headaches. I thought this was part of the correction process, but little did I know it was from shoes that were way too tight. I had naturally high arches the story goes, one day I got the epiphany that maybe I needed bigger shoes! I hobbled down to my favorite shoe store on St. Marks and First; the name escapes me, but it is my favorite. A small selection, but all the shoes are well thought out at this nameless shoe store that be my favorite of all-time. I got a new pair of sneakers size 12; I had jumped a full shoe size...About a month later, the headaches started up again, but this time I was wise and made a pre-emptive strike and ran to my favorite nameless shoe store to buy the next installment in this shoe saga. The headaches again subsided, there was peace in the land and all was well. This time I started to look more closely at my feet, I speculated based on the size of my arches, I was not quite done with the shoe expansion….They no longer had my Size! I had outgrown them, 13.5 apparently was too much of a man for them.”

My Personal Interpretation

This guy makes the claim that there is some type of biomechanical connection between the feet and the alignment of the jaw. He was using this device/technique called the Starecta for months and the headaches started. By some luck, he realized that maybe the headaches were caused from having the shoes being too tight. So he got a size higher. Later, the headaches came back so he got another size larger.

My Final Conclusion

Whoever writes those blog posts have gotten themselves into the area where scientists would never go into. Many things that this person says works is not based on real scientific data. However, this person is willing to try a lot of different healing methods to see which ones works for him. The efficacy of all of the techniques and ideas he throws out should always be questioned.

What I found suspicious is that he talks alot about heartbreak and hormonal issues. It is very possible that he is still a teenager, and this growth in height and feet size is just from natural growth of the body. Or maybe he is in his early 20s. Then we have to consider the possibility that this person actually suffers from a pituitary tumor, which is causing the excessive height growth and the increase in feet size. That would definitely explain those intermittent bouts of headaches. People who suffered from excessive GH in their body from their puberty years to adulthood, turning the gigantism to acromegaly talked about how they suffered through headaches.

If the person who runs the website is ever reading this, I strongly suggest they go check their hormone levels with an Endocrinologist and get a CT scan of their brain.

You can help brainstorm height increase methods

Sometimes it’s frustrating to be part of a rank of people so few who are working on to height increase methods.

It’s by all means possible to discover the Lorenzo’s Oil that increases height but increasing height is a lot more complicated than affecting fatty acid buildup.  Unless there’s a study that shows that a chemical directly increases height like maybe IGF2 or CNP is that chemical.  But there have been tons of cases where a chemical you think may increase height by delaying maturating or increasing chondrocyte proliferation actually decrease height growth.  With chemicals it’s a case of that a chemical doesn’t increase height until it actually shows that it increases height.  So with chemicals you have to settle for a lot of duds and just hope that you stumble upon something that works.  And there’s also things like the digestive system blocking chemicals from taking their desired action.

For mechanical methods, there’s far more that you can do.  Axial(top to bottom) loading, tensile(stretching), and impact loading are probably not going to produce height increase as they have all been performed at very high levels physiologically.  Axial loading has been done at over 1000lbs in squats and leg press with no reported height gain.  Tensile(stretching) has been performed at very high levels with the rack with no height gain the issue with tensile loading is that cartilage, tendons, ligaments, and muscles will fail far more easily than bone will.  Impact loading has been done in running with no reported height gain.

Lateral and twisting loading have happened far less physiologically.  In the case of twisting, it has in times produced height increase as a result of fracture.  The twisting strength of the bone is less than that of the soft tissues so it’s more likely to fail before the soft tissues.  And twisting is also highly stimulatory to the bone marrow which is what could create a new growth plate like wringing out a sponge moves the water.  Twisting also could cause damage to the bone architecture.  Lateral loading also moves and stimulates the bone marrow and could cause torsional(twisting forces).  You could also perform lateral loading on a twisted bone.

So there’s several ways you can help.  Head on over to the LSJL forum or post in the comments a good height increase forum and suggest better ways to induce lateral or twisting loading.  You can post a stretching routine but make sure it includes a lot of twisting forces.  Or suggest a new novel form of loading.  A ton of mechanical stimuli has been shown to pro-chondrogenic it probably just isn’t strong enough and there are blocks from it getting strength for example muscle/tendon failure.

No major scientific background is needed to help just a basic understanding of the body and lets start building a community to find a way to grow taller.

LSJL Update 11-8-2016

Here’s the last update.

Here’s the feet length progress pic:

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Here’s the pic from about 6 months ago:

June foot comparison

Yeah the distance is wrong so here’s one from about 2 months ago:

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I can’t really tell how much growth I’ve had but it seems like some.  So not really proof right now.  Anyways, growth is disappointing considering that I got some significant growth initially in that the shoe started being tighter.  Already I’ve started clamping other areas of the feet in the hopes of spillover growth as clamping the big toe has seemed to induce growth in the other toes.

I’m going to clamp for longer and more intensely.  We’ll see if that gets me some good solid growth

Xcrunner211 and Alkoklar are back and they still selling useless chemicals

In the last half a year, there have been talks among the very, VERY small online community of people hoping to become taller that two key people who used to be very active have come back. They go by the name of Alkoklar and Xcrunner211. A person who goes by the username shark2016 said that they sent an email to me to look over the information that Xcrunner211 has been talking about. So here I will do that. As for Alkoklar, I will write about him in a 2nd post, looking that his claims as well.

The person who uses that Xcrunner211 username has become quite active on the heightdiscussion.com forum, where they are now talking about a new chemical they are selling. Refer to this thread entitled “Growing Taller” – http://www.heightdiscussion.com/index.php?/topic/22601-growing-taller/

The Xcrunner debate started back in Aug 10 of 2015, where this new poster said that they are a biochemist. This person says that they have been searching for a way to grow taller after growth plate closure their entire life and he did find something that increased his height from 5′ 5” to 6′ 2”. He claims that he has helped people in their 30s grow 3-4 inches.

Quote… “There is no such thing as fused plates there is always a height potential regardless of
age(potential surely diminishes with aging but never runs out)once the puberty-like hormone and somatropic peptide profile is sustained, you will grow again“

He says that he has not been active in the online grow taller community because of something that happened in the old growtaller forum, which existed years ago.

In the past he has claimed that Ghenerate in spray form works to increase GH production, but only effective in a 1 time form after the growth plates are gone. He has also used BMP7, IGF-1 Induction, Osteogenic Protein 1, GDF4, Methyprotodioscin, and Icariin.

Let me list a bunch of mistakes he has made in his thread posts.

Mistake #1: He mentions BMP7 and OP1 as two chemicals he has used, but he didn’t realize that they are the exact same chemical. OP1 is another name for BMP7.

Mistake #2: He says that the growth plates never close but become inactive. That is incorrect. Any person working in a medical imaging department in the field of radiology would tell you that there is no sign of any layer of growth plates left.

Note #1: That Ghenerate spray seems to have been discontinued and no longer available.

Medical Fact: In fact, if he actually knew how the process of endochondral ossficiation and condrocyte condensation worked, he’d realize that the “growth plate” is not an actual body part per se, but actually a zone of unossified cartilage that is between the primary ossification center and the secondary ossification centers, as those 3 areas of bones (yes 3, not 2) get progressively bigger in comparison to the overall osseous-chondrogenic tissue.

He mentions that women during pregnancy sometimes grow taller, which is something which we reported years ago, and have reported multiple times since, so it is clear that this xcrunner person reads our website, since it is the most authoritative site on the english public domain.

Mistake #3: In a post he made back in June 15, 2016, he has claimed that “Everyone I supplied to so far grew”. That goes against what he would write in a later post, claiming that his formulation of chemicals won’t work for everyone.

He keeps on claming that customs have been seizing his shipments, which is something reasonable to believe, since that is what happened to my order of Modafinil years ago when I ordered some from this India based chemical production company. If you guys are interested in reading about my experience there, search the website’s sidebar on my older monthly posts.

The cost of his chemicals: “A bottle will cost 6000”. (So are we talking about 6000 USD or what other currency?)

He claims that his bottles has enough compound to last 25-30 days, and should produce 3 inches of height increase and a max of 5 inches.

Quote… “As of now i am already blacklisted by customs officials and If i try fighting them..its a lost case for me as it is illegal for me to sell this formula. Its against fda and goverment trade laws. I received my third letter today from customs officials saying i must stop sales of the formula and go through standard fda laws and patent procedures but its a setup for them to bust me”

Commentary: First, one does not get blacklisted by custom officials. That is not how it works with custom officials. They don’t blacklist seller or people, they blacklist chemicals and stop chemicals from reaching the intented customer. This chemical,, which is supposed to be new, would not be listed by the US government or the DEA as any type of class A type of illegal drug. Plus, it was quite easy for that India company selling me Modafinil to get around the customs official by just putting a different chemical name on that package. Please be aware that the customs people have to look through thousands of boxes each day and they are not going to open all thousand boxes and check inside each to make sure that the chemical that is claims is what it actually is. There is no chemical ID machine in the customs official’s office. 

Quote… “My last words is for anyone thinking on taking on height increase research..all you gotta do is study op 1 protein and all the bmp proteins and its dna components then figure out how it differentiates into mesenchymal stem cells of the inactive growth plates then BAM! height increase resumes full force… Its all about restoring somatropic protein profiles and properties that occurs naturally during puberty but keep in mind though that if this is done wrong it can cause CANCER instead and no height growth!”

Commentary: There are so many mistakes that this guy is making, on so many levels that I don’t even know where to begin. Like I said before, OP1 is BMP7. BMP7 has been shown to have the most chondrogenic potential when used on mesenchymal stem cells to turn towards the chondrogenic side, on par with BMP2.

Plus, BMP7 is a protein, and not a cell, so it doesn’t have any DNA component. It is not a organism, or alive, so it doesn’t have any cells. Only when there is an organism of some type, could there be any DNA, (or maybe RNA if it is some type of primitive prokaryotic cell which even I don’t know much about yet). Again, BMP7 does not have any DNA component.

Third, there are no inactive growth plates, but dead growth plates. There are no more chondrocytes or cartilage tissue where the growth plate zone used to be to use the chemical on. Where that zone used to be, there is now just a thick layer of cortical bone, and inside that layer is trabecular bone, and in between the super-strong hard inorganic trabecular bone maze is where the yellow-colored bone marrow are, which does have some adipose-derived mesenchymal stem cells.

One person who has decided to commment and sort of argue with Xcrunner is a poster calling themselves Jacob Walker. This Jacob Walker has contact me and the NHGH website email multiple times, and have been sincere and honest in his desires, and he has claimed that he has learned about the biology of bones and become very knowledgeable. I have messaged Jacob many times, and he has been very helpful.

Jacob did somehow get Methyl protodioscin and injected it into his leg to see the effects, and he talked about his leg being in extreme pain for weeks and developing tendonitis. He sent me a email saying that he put himself as a guinea pig, and the results were really bad.

At some point, other posters came in and started to throw in various biochemistry concepts in and talked about a little bit of everything, with no one able to integrate and make sense of what all of the biochemistry talk was about. That is expected, since I would assume that few people have ever taken a University level Biochemistry class before. Even though I did myself, I got a B- in that class, and 10 years later, I remember almost nothing from that class except for the beginning and ending compound of the Kreb/Citric Cycle.

Here are a few of the technical points which I agree with

  1. Methylation of the DNA is really just adding the chemical Methyl Group (CH3) only certain parts of proteins, which in this case is the very DNA itself. I am not sure if adding methyl groups to the very DNA is even possible, since I did not read much on that subject.
  2. There are some chemicals like Noggin, and Ghrelin, which are inhibitors to any of the BMPs. There are probably hundreds of proteins and chemicals in our bodies which do that which I am not aware of.

This Jacob Walker person has said that they have learned about the cell pathways and how cells transmitt information to each other. He talks about the concept of transdifferentiation, but I think he made a mistake in using this term, because the process of transdifferentiation is extremely rare, at least for the purpose which we want for it. Maybe he was talking about the few studies showing how mesenchymal stem cells, when stimulated turn into fibroblasts, and then those fibroblasts turn back into mesenchymal stem cells, or into osteoblasts.

There is a highly technical post Jacob wrote on Oct 22, 2016 which he really got into the biochemistry of the cell pathways which I don’t understand at all. I don’t know what the various types of Smad proteins do. I am aware that the Noggin and the Chordin are inhibitors to BMP and TGFBeta, respectively. He claims that the compounds Smad-6, Smad-7, and I-Smad are all types of chemicals which can inhibit R-Smad and Co-Smad. That I can not validate. There are a lot of chemistry and biology stuff I just never learned in detail, or at all.

Here is a really good clue why this entire thing is a scam, which would be very obvious. The username Dmitri Petronova, wrote in the post from Oct 25, 2016 the following sentence… “And I have friends who post here as well. Most of them are foreign like me and we are aspiring to become medical students and we all have interest in this topic. When I post, I tell my friends and we all post and this is why you see only minutes away from our posts….I share my apartment with Liu Xian, Yong Shin, and Haruda. All of them want to become medical students

Commentary: So 1 of the possibly only 12 posters on this thread has admitted that three of the other posters on this exact same thread are his roommates???

Isn’t that suspicious??? Even if I was 15 years old, never took a biology course, never researched this topic and no nothing about biochemistry, and was still naïve, it would still seem to me, with average intelligence that this is a HUGE COINCEDENCE.

Conclusion: I remember an email that Jacob Walker sent me months ago where he showed me a screenshot of an email he got back from this Xcrunner guy. If you guys search through my posts of the last 6 months, you might even find that picture somewhere. (type “Jacob” or “Xcrunner” into the search bar on this site to search for that older post. Too lazy to go find it and link to it.)

It is quite obvious that this person saying that they are xcrunner211 has probably created at least 5 new forum profiles, all of them validating and social proofing the xcrunner211 username, saying to the other posters to give the guy a chance and why he is not a scammer.

I would say that shark2016 and jacob walker might be the only 2 usernames on there which post regularly and who are not in on the con. (remember the British show “The Hustle” where 3 people work as a team to cheat the “mark” aka target. Ever hear of the term “Shill” used in Vegas streets by street pick pocketers? They are all accomplices, but in this case, I suspect there is not 5 people working together, but 1 guy who created 5 different accounts to validate 1 account. )

If Yong Shin, Haruda, and Dmitri are roommates, why would they write to each other on a online forum ,when they can just walk across the apartment they share and just ask in person?

No matter what however, at least 1 person is lying, because based on all the claims made by the posters, somewhere there is a clear logical contradiction, which even they should be aware of.

Remember this fact: When a criminal who has lied about something has a story that is too elaborate and complex, a very quick and intense interrogation by the police with some smart questions will make the lies quickly unravel. Complicated multiple lies are easy to spot, since eventually all the lies and claims start to become logically inconsistent.

So to you shark2016, and Jacob Walker, I side with you guys. You are right. Those 5 (maybe now 6, 7?) are like a high school bully team all ganging up on you guys, trying to pressure you guys using social peer pressure to not talk about your scepticism. Stay strong.

As for you shark2016, probably all the following usernames/profiles are fake, Liu Xian, Yong Shin, and Haruda, Dmitri Petronova, Jose, etc. (or at least all created by 1 person)