This is another major issue that I think needs to be resolved for any men who are noticing that they are not getting any luck on the romance and relationships department from the possibility that they are not tall enough to hit that height cut-off point in female expectations. Interesting I don’t think I have ever heard of a female complain that a guy is too tall for her to date, only too short. For the reverse, I have heard of men who have complained their female romantic interest was both too short and too tall.

We’ve heard the #1 reason why so many (average and short ) females who are willing to date and have sex with short males but don’t ultimately marry and mate with them state. The message is always ” I am afraid that if I marry/mate/ have kids with this man, my kids will end up short (like me) and they will be get bullied, ostracized, rejected, have less chances and opportunities for career advancement, and have a lower quality of life. They might not even find a great, high quality mate because they might turn out to be short ” – This is what they are really thinking and going through their head, and what they are willing to share or admit when you pressure the females to admit their real intentions, reasons for strange (and often cruel) actions, and rationalizations/ justifications. (If I am sounding bitter and resentful, there is actually a good reason for this. Read to the end.)

Other reasons they give (but not limited to) are …

1. I want a big guy/male who can protect me and feel safe.
2. Only an above average  in height/tall man can make me feel safe and secure.
3. Only a big, tall man can make me fee like a real feminine woman/girl.
4. It just feels right to be with tall men
5. It just “looks” good to be with tall men.
6. I have always had a preference for tall guys…
7. I have always had a “thing” for tall guys…
8. I have only dated guys who are at least 6 feet tall but usually taller.
9. I can’t imagine spending the rest of my life with a guy who is only at my eye level.
10. I want to look up when I kiss him.
11. I want to be the feminine one in the relationship and if he is short, I would feel too masculine
12. I am a high quality female who has it all so I DESERVE to be with someone just as high quality as me.
13. I am tall already myself. It would only make sense that I MUST be with a guy who is even taller.
14. My father and brothers, and other relatives are all tall so my husband should be too.
15. I want the man to be big and strong so he can pick me up and carry me like the romance movies.
16. And the list for female justification & rationalization continues on and on…

I can not even begin to state the countless (and I do mean COUNTLESS) number of times that I have heard through my ears or have heard from the anecdotal stories of other people who know someone or who themselves have rejected, or been by rejected, by potential romantic and dating partners due to a lack of height. In the dating world, size matters, and it matters a whole lot. There are enough studies done which showed that in terms of first impressions for guys, their height is the #1 determinant of a females attraction of them, if other factors like clothing, style of dress, shoes, hair cleaniless, and facial attractiveness is held constant.

[Note: Obviously over the subject of the factor Facial Attractiveness, that is not as measurable or quantifiable like height, and this factor is extremely subjective and variable.]

I posted two articles way back entitled “Love Is A Battlefield And You Are Going To Be Slaughtered” and “Why Tall Men Have Prettier Girlfriends, The Correlation Of Height And Attraction” that when it comes to our most primal and basic levels, of all the qualities which a guy needs to be successful for reproduction and passing on his genes, which is really all that this universe and nature desires of us, our height is probably #1 in all the attributes we must have. So this post is not about arguing or trying to convince the reader of this point. Let’s assume that these prepositions are a given. Two famous quotes that has reached the general public’s lexicon is “Love is a battlefield” ( as nicely stately by Pat Benatar, Jordin Sparks, & Li’l Wayne) and “All is fair in love and war”

[Note 2: For our discussion for this post, I wanted to focus on the side where the female is on the short side and she chooses a tall male to mate and reproduce with. There is cases and examples where the situation is reverse where a short male chooses always to date and mate with tall females, but I wanted to focus on the more common case. Plus, we can use the same type of psychological reasoning and mathematical equations to calculate for offpring height results. ]

This huge trend has effected my siblings, myself, my parents, and my past dating life.

• One of my sisters actually left her  below average in height boyfriend to be with his friend who was tall.
• My old girlfriend left me to be with her current boyfriend who is 5-6 inches taller than me.
• The current girl I am dating specifically chose me because I was taller than most guys she has met.
• My mother never seems to be able to stop focusing on tall men if she saw one. She has to point them out and admire them from far away.
• My other old girlfriend liked me because I was tall for her.
• Another old girlfriend said the main reason her mother married her father was because he was tall
• The tallest guys I know in life are all married with kids.
• The other group of tallest guys are having a very active sex life with multiple partners.

Maybe a part of me is still stinging over what happened with me being left for another guy who is clearly much taller. I could argue that he had a better job than me, went to a better school than me, and had a brighter future on money making than me, as well being closer to her physically, but all those things are something that can be changed with enough hard work and dedication. It is the height thing that is something I have no control over and can’t change, yet.  The resentment, anger, and jealousy is definitely not that healthy. I don’t know whether I should be angry at her because she decided to “trade up” and found something better like a Machivallian strategist who is always looking for someone or something better to come along. The fact that she immediately starting dating him the same day she left me is a hard thing to swallow. That she was meeting him when we were still together (but just as “friends”) knowing full well his intentions and kindly rejecting him makes me angry, even almost 1 year later. May I find peace with this one day.

A recent email I got today from a regular reader of the website Rafael had the PDF file for Dr. Ben Kim’s Maximize Your Height E-Book attached. In my last post about this chiropractor Dr. Kim who has a doctorate of chiropractry from Canada entitled “Review On Maximize Your Height E-Product By Dr. Ben Kim” I had said at the end that I could not conclude whether he was selling something that was either a lie or was real. He never claims that the E-Book he was selling could work for people who was past physical maturity and he had a large Facebook following with many people who liked his website. He had his own podcast and he sounded credible. I was inconclusive on this guy.

Well, I think I can now safely conclude that Dr. Ben Kim is selling a book that has little to no potential to help even adolescents to grow taller. Even if the kids did grow, there is no way to know whether it was his advice or not. From the 98 page PDF files, 70 pages of it from pages 28-98 is actually filled with cooking recipes which is supposed to “help you increase your maximum height potential“. From my research, a huge number of the recipes can actually stunt growth, like the stuff on desserts and carbohydrates. Meat and highly dense protein sources has been consistently been shown to cause the nitrogen based molecular compounds (amino acids) to create proteins needed to increase in almost all cell proliferations.

If you remove also the introduction, table of contents, and other filler pages, you get rid of another 7 pages.

His 4 keys to maximizing the growth rates is to…

1. Maximize Your Body’s Production Of Growth-Related Hormones – pg. 8
2. Regularly Engage In Activities That Put Vertical Stress On Your Long Bones – pg. 13
3. Lengthen Your Muscles By Stretching Everyday – pg. 15
4. Optimally Nourish Your Bones And Muscles With A Nutrient Diet – 23

So we already see from pages 28-98 that the book is a cooking recipe book. Closer examination of the 4th key shows that it just lists off all the major useful supplements and vitamins. After that, there is another list of natural foods like vegetables after that. I personally don’t need a listing of vegetable names which are high in nutrients. So Key 4 is useless. Key 3 has diagrams on how one should stretch and do some yogic like poses. That is easily obtained from a google search for yoga poses. So Key 3 is not useful. Key 2 is 2 pages long, and the information is about the importance of stretching and a very superficial explanation of endochondral ossification and name dropping some old basketball players with not actionable tips. So not useful for Key 2. For Key 1, he spends most of the pages talking about having a good nights sleep, giving tips on how to sleep better, living with less stress, and rehashing the basics of HGH and Testosterone. The only tidbit from the entire E-Book which was new to me was the idea on increasing a compound called Erythropoietin. From the book…

What is frustration is that this compound is supposed to improve one’s stamina and overall vitality, but says nothing about chondrogenesis or osteogenesis. I think it is very clear at this point that this “Doctor” is not a real medical doctor in the medical school graduate sense. His area is natural medicine remedies, and the advice he gives is almsot all fluff. At this point, I can safely claim that Dr. Ben Kim is a “quack”, at least on the subject of height increase. Unless a person who has not idea on how the human body works wanted to get a very basic level of understanding why humans increase in height and a cooking recipe book, then this guy is not doing his duties to be helpful.

So if you want the free PDF copy of the book “Maximize Your Height, Four Keys To Growing As Tall As Your Genetics Will Allow” click HERE. This E-Book will also be listed in the “Library” section of the website for easier access for future/ new visitors and readers. 

Ever since I did the research on Alkoclar who suggested compounds like Dimethyl Icaritin and Methylprotodioscin, I have been wondering whether the compound Harpagoside had any potential to increase height. It was suggested from a forum post that I found that a harpagoside with glucosamine mixture can eleviate joint pain from arthritis. This suggests that it is similar in properties to the hyaluronic acid which is a very similar compound to the glycoaminoglycan, but missing the sulfated part. If the Hyaluronic acid/ Hyaluronan had the potential to get into the extracellular fluid of the synovial joints to create more lubrication, it would not be that hard of a stretch to wonder whether the harpagoside can do the same thing.

The first thing I noticed from typing the phrase “harpagoside height” into google is that HeightQuest.com has already done a post about the possibility already (LINK). The post seems to be in response to Alkoclar’s idea of combining the effects of Harpagoside with a new compound which I have not heard of before, Acteoside. Tyler has been very clear in showing that Alkoclar’s main way to increase height was to increase the CNP and Nitric Oxide expression, and that was where the the Methylprotodioscin came in, since he was a supplier of the compound, which seems to be made from some Chinese traditional medicinal herb. I can personally say from experience that the NO idea has some reasonable points, but the thing I have always thought was that the NO would cause the blood vessels to increase in widthfrom increased blood flow and for muscles to relax. If we remember the old infomercials on the male impotency pill Viagra, it operated on the same principle, where the pill caused the increase of Nitric Oxide, leading to muscle relaxation and blood vessel thickness increase from increased blood flow. From the Wikipedia article on Viagra/Sildenafil I am reminded that it is the smooth muscles that are relaxed. The pill somehow manages to stop the specific enzyme that causes cGMP degradation. Like always, Tyler already did a post on HeightQuest on the idea of taking Viagra to increase height already (HERE). His main point from that post was this…”CNP overexpression increased height.  Both NO and CNP cause the upregulation of cGMP. cGMP increases hypertrophic differentiation…But if cGMP can increase height then Viagra can increase height by inhibiting PDE5 which inhibits cGMP.” However, I think we are getting off topic on the idea of whether Harpagoside can really increase height. At this point, I would like to point out that this compound goes by another name, Devil’s Claw. Sounds intimidating.

Tyler had used three studies to look at the idea of whether the Harpagoside can increase height, and the main points he made from the three studies were.

1. The extract from some product called Harpagophytum lead to a a decrease in MMP-1, -3, -9 and Tyler argues that the MMP3 and MMP-9 helps height increase while MMP-13 inhibits it. The compounds seems to inhibit the good MMPs although it seems to also help by inhibiting some compound known as Cox-2, which seems to cause MMP-13.

1. Harpagoside dose-dependently inhibited LPS-stimulated NF-kappaB promoter activity

1. Acteoside suppresses phorbol-12-myristate-13-acetate (PMA)-enhanced matrix metalloproteinase-9 (MMP-9) expression at the protein, mRNA, and transcriptional levels through the suppression of NF-κB activation.

The main axiom I have to take from his research is that MMP-9 and MMP-3 are good for height increase through a possible increased chondrocyte proliferation and/ or hypertrophic process. I haven’t done any research on the matrix metalloproteinase compounds yet. If I however assume that he is right about the MMPs, the good ones and the bad, then the studies, which may be only just 1 study, is a reasonable good enough to suggest that Alkoclar’s idea of using either the Harpagoside and the Aceteoside compounds are wrong.

What I can agree with Tyler from this post is that a better supplement, used as an alternative to the possible Harpagoside, is to just go with Hyaluronic acid, since it has increased extracellular fluid/matrix effects making the synovial joints increase a little.

However, I wanted to try to do a little bit of research myself on the effects of Harpagoside. First it seems that Harpagoside comes from a specific type of plant, Harpagophytum procumbens. From its Wikipedia article, Harpagophytum procumbens, also called grapple plant, wood spider and most commonly devil’s claw, is a plant of the sesame family, native to South Africa. From there, it is reported that European colonists brought this plant back to be used for the treatment of arthritis. The overall plant itself seems to have three main effects, 1. Relieve Pain, 2. Reduce irritation and causes calmness, and 3. increase the rate of urination. At least one major Pharmacological group has claimed that the plant has anti-rheumatic properties (another fancy way of saying it treats arthritis).  It seems to be a good alternative to brand named prescriptions used to treat lower back pain. It was also found to be effective in treating arthritis derived hip and knee pain.

A quick search on google and PubMed on the efficacy of the effectiveness of Harpagoside as an analgesic or sedative leads to a PubMed study,” Antiinflammatory effects of different extracts and harpagoside isolated from Scrophularia frutescens L. It seems to suggest that at least for Harpagoside derived from this other type of plant, Scrophularia frutescens, it is not the real active ingredient in causing antiinflammatory effects. Other studies, like from Rheumatology journal, entitled “Effectiveness of devil’s claw for osteoarthritis” the writer makes the point that “The study showed that freeze‐dried root tubers of Harpagophytum at a dose containing 60 mg harpagoside per day was as effective as, and had fewer side‐effects than, diacerrhein…painful arthrosis and tendinitis—a dose that contains up to 90 mg of harpagoside” We see that at least from this reference that the Harpagoside has been effective in treating pain.

However, I would say the best resource I have been able to find to either validate or reject the idea that Harpagoside and the plant it is derived from has any possible height increase properties comes from this link HERE. it seems that the plant at least has chondroprotetive properties. As quoted from the article…

“Harpagophytum is chondroprotective, possibly due to inhibition of inflammatory mediators, including COX-2, leukotrienes, nitric oxide, tumor necrosis factor-alpha (TNF-α), and interleukin-1β. In addition, matrix metalloproteinases and elastase that play key roles in cartilage degradation are inhibited. 11,19″

The cited studies were

11 – Huang TH, Tran VH, Duke RK, et al. Harpagoside suppresses lipopolysaccharide-induced iNOS and COX-2 expression through inhibition of NF-kappa B activation. J Ethnopharmacol 2006;104:149-155.

19 – Fiebich BL, Heinrich M, Hiller KO, Kammerer N. Inhibition of TNF-alpha synthesis in LPS-stimulated primary human monocytes by Harpagophytum extract SteiHap 69. Phytomedicine 2001;8:28-30.

The first citation was one that Tyler has already looked at ,at least the abstract. The 2nd one, I have the abstract below…

Abstract

Harpagophytum procumbens (Devil’s Claw) is often used in the supportive treatment of inflammatory and degenerative diseases of the skeletal system. Here we studied the anti-inflammatory properties of the Harpagophytum extract SteiHap 69 (Steiner Harpagophytum procumbens extract 69) on primary human monocytes, a useful model of peripheral inflammation. After eliminating lipopolysaccharides of bacterial origin, SteiHap 69 prevented the LPS-induced synthesis of tumour necrosis factor alpha (TNFalpha) in stimulated primary human monocytes in a dose-dependent manner. Harpagide and harpagoside had no effect on LPS-induced TNFalpha-release. Our data provides evidence that the Harpagophytum extract SteiHap 69 has anti-inflammatory properties. Further studies are required in order to elucidate the molecular mechanism of Devil’s claw anti-inflammatory effects.

Conclusion: What I think is clear now is that while the harpagoside has inflammatory properties, and it may even lead to less chondrocyte damage/ degradation. That seems to be why it has been effective in treating musculoskeletal pain like arthritis, but it does not seem to have any ability in leading to chondrocyte proliferation, but can only protect it a little. This suggest that Harpagoside and the plant it comes from, the Harpagophytum don’t have any height increase properties.

One compound that I’ve been seeing over and over again in the community that seems to have some possibility in working is a plant based material Astragalus which the main researchers say will increase height. The main source I keep seeing this claim made is from HeightQuest.com from posts like “Super Growth Boosting with IGH-1“, “Grow Tall with Astragalus“, “Height Growth and Osteosarcoma“. From the studies he has cited, It seems that Astragalus has some possible height increase effects for young kids who are at least still growing. However, he was never sure whether it really did lead to increased final height or only sped up the process of reaching a predetermined maximum height. One specific study he did talk about entitled “Skeletal Growth and IGF Levels in Rats after HT042 Treatment.” had a phrase which really got me curious…

“HT042, a new herbal prescription consisting of Astragalus membranaceus, Phlomis umbrosa and Eleutherococcus senticosus, is used in traditional Korean medicine to stimulate growth in children. This study was conducted to investigate the effects of HT042 on skeletal growth, insulin-like growth factor-1 (IGF-1) and insulin-like growth factor binding protein-3 (IGFBP-3) levels, and oestrogenic activity in female rats.”

So it seems that the Koreans from their own traditional medicine database combined three herbal extracts to result in possible greater growth in children. Did they somehow stumble upon this extract through tria land error or borrow the medicinal properties from another culture, like Chinese traditional medicine? This idea seems to be comfirmed from the 2nd HeightQuest article I have hyperlinked above. From this main article, Tyler found one study where the herb was also used by the Chinese.

At the end of the post, one of the posters stated that the only supplement out in the market today was something known as TA-65, which was sold by TA Science. The TA-65 was extracted from the Astragalus membranaceus. A very quick search on google revealed that the pill was made by Geron, and was considered by its marketers to be a weak telomerase activator (source). From the Nature article, we find out that an adult named Egan took the pill twice daily, and later found out he had prostate cancer. From my own personal research on Geron, and the whole telomere lengthening technology, I would say that there is probably a strong connection to the TA-65 and cancer connection. The company eventually got sued and I am not sure of what happened next. From another article entitled “New Anti-Aging Pill Under Fire” we see a more objective researcher who sees that there are two camps right now, one who think the TA-65 works, and another who doesn’t believe in its efficacy. Even the Nobel Prize Winner who originally discovered the telomere shortening process put in their word, and showed that if the TA Science manufactured pill really worked, it would have to be rigorously tested. However, the overall conclusion is that the extract in the pill form would never even be able to reach the telomeres. This would suggest that the TA-65 pill would not work as an telomerase activator even if it did work. The original paper which is cited for its use had mice blood tested which showed that while the average telomere length did not increase, the short telomere concentration did seem to decrease a little.

All of these studies seem to be cited at some point in the Wikipedia article on Astragalus. The main point from the Wikipedia article was that many commercial projects are currently going on in trying to manufacture pills/ supplements claiming to have the astragalus component and touted as an anti-aging miracle pill. When I tried to get more specific and look at the Wikipedia article on Astragalus Membranaceus we are finding again that the Astragalus was a Chinese traditional medicine idea and the main idea is again telomere lengthening through telomerase activity increase resulting in anti-aging. Interestingly, Tyler wrote in another old post entitled “Grow tall by lengthening your telomeres?” where he tries to validate the idea that the telomere length is correlated to a high degree to the proliferation capacity of chondrocytes, and its progenitor cells like the hematopoietic ones . We remember (and he notes) that Fibroblast growth factor receptor 3 (FGFR3) inhibits growth-plate chondrocyte proliferation and limits bone elongation….FGFR3 inhibits chondrocyte proliferation by down-regulating TERT expression and reducing telomerase activity indicating an important role for telomerase in sustaining chondrocyte proliferative capacity during bone elongation” Remember that it is FGF2 and FGF4 which helps in chondrocyte proliferation thus height increase. He notes that you can get the TA-65 capsules from Amazon if you desire, but a better (and cheaper) alternative is jus to take the Astragalus supplements straight up.

I got a little frustrated and just typed the phrase “astragalus chondrocyte” into google to see what would it find and it gave me a doctoral thesis entitled “Effects of Astragalus membranaceus on angiogenesis and osteogenesis” by a Seo Dong-Min of Kyung Hee Univeristy in 2007. It was pages 10 and 31 that got me interested. His application of the Astragalus extract showed that it did result in endothelial cell proliferation, and resulted in a slight BMP-2 increase expression, but a whole lot of VEGF increased expression. at around 25 microgram/ml,, it induced cell migration by over a 2 fold rate. Other results sort of suggest that the astragalus can be used also to heal bone fractures through cartilage generation. This seems to give the idea of astragalus for height increase more probability. A 2nd result from google (HERE) from Master’s And Ph. D thesis papers written by Chinese graduate students shows that injections intra-articularly can result in decrease in cartilage degeneration and the number of chondrocyte apoptosis. The next google result I managed to find was one study TYler already looked at entitled “The herbal formula HT042 induces longitudinal bone growth in adolescent female rats.” from the 1st link above. Like him, we see that if you use either the hGH or the astragalus extract, they both lead to more longitudinal lengthening than the control group. From another study entitled “Effects of astragalus on apoptosis and Bim expression of cartilage cells suffering peroxidation damage in vitro.” it seems to have anti-oxidative properties in healing cartilage which has been subjected to peroxidation damage.

Conclusion: At this point, it really does seem that the astragalus extract has a lot of potential in causing height increase, especially in people who still have their growth plates. While the theory of age reversal from telomere lengthening is still not clear, it seems that astragalus may really do have some form of effect on the telomerase, at least at this point from the studies. It might also lead to chondrocyte repair and possible height increase.

Note: The endothelium is the thin layer of cells that lines the interior surface of blood vessels and lymphatic vessels,^[1] forming an interface between circulatingblood or lymph in the lumen and the rest of the vessel wall. The cells that form the endothelium are called endothelial cells. (wikipedia)

Growth plate stress distribution implications during bone development: A simple framework computational approach.

“We found stress distribution during bone development established osteogenic index patterns that seem to influence locally epiphyseal structures growth and coincide with growth plate histological arrangement.”<-So how stress is applied to the growth plate affects longitudinal bone growth.

“Growth plate characteristics, such as location within the bone, morphology, and width, change according to bone type and age”

“the growth plate morphology of a proximal femoral epiphysis can resemble a concave meniscus at the age of four. With increasing age, at seven the growth plate becomes straight, as a ridged non-uniform line. Last, the growth plate assumes the form of an arch at the beginning of puberty”

“growth plate’s width changes through life, with a wider growth plate during early stages and diminishing progressively until its disappearance toward the end of adolescence”

“Stress distribution pattern for all simulations demonstrated peak octahedral normal stress (P) beneath the loading area. Furthermore, highest values for octahedral shear stress (S) were observed in the central zone of the epiphysis.”<-Load was 1 MPa and applied on the top of the epiphysis.

“high OI values predict cartilaginous tissue ossification”

LSJL growth plates became more convex in response to load.

“prior to complete epiphyseal ossification OI patterns coincide with growth plate histological organization (reserve, proliferative, hypertrophic) which may be involved in stimulating longitudinal bone growth. Additionally, it was observed that complete epiphyseal ossification has an impact on growth plate stress distribution favoring its maintenance rather than ossification.”

” Since long bone growth results from ossification within the growth plate, we suggest OI values in this structure can be an indicator of expected growth rate. Within the growth plate OI values were affected by all variables studied: localization, morphology, and width”

“we obtained a decreasing trend in OI values from the epiphyseal to the diaphyseal end of the growth plate. Our results evidenced OI peak values in the reserve zone, with OI values comparable to those observed in the epiphysis. The reserve zone is in charge of providing cells to the proliferative zone assuring growth process continuity. Moreover, it has been proposed that resting chondrocytes may synthesize biochemical factors, responsible for growth orientation and inhibition of hypertrophy in the proliferative zone. These events favor growth plate histological organization in distinct zones”

“octahedral normal stress has been reported to linearly increase chondrocyte membrane lipid packing and lipid desaturase gene expression”

[Update & Edit: I finally figured out what the compound “Dimethylicartin” really is and it is a misspelling. It is actually spelled Dimethylicaritin (he forgot to add the “i”). This actually only makes the story and detective work even more interesting, at least I think.]

I think this post will be one of the most interesting and most revealing posts for people who have been a part of the height increase community for a long time.

My original collaborator to the website who went by the name Nikki (real name is Kazlina) told me that she and Tyler was on this other Grow Taller Forum that Hakker administered which is now down. There was one guy named Alkoclar who talked about a new possible way to increase height with a type of compound or powder as he claimed. At first I didn’t think much about his claim and assumed he was a scam but a recent finding in the last few hours has caused me to rethink about his claims. Plus, I wanted to take another stab at what his proposed compound could be. Before, I had proposed, and probably guessed wrong that his height increase compound was this Ayurvedic Urea active ingredient called Dhatrumurgasiniy. My old post about it was entitled “Can Dhatrumurgasiniy From Ayurvedic Urea Really Increase Height?“. I think I can conclude now that the compound, which is said to be a very rare compound only found in Nepal, is almost mostly likely to be a scam. Urea is essentially just the most commonly found compound in human urine. Those guys were selling not just a scam, but more likely urine to people at INSANE prices.

However, I wanted to take another stab at Alkoclar’s claims. Like I always said, I am willing to give almost any crazy suggestion, idea, method, proposed thought, technique, at least some chance and give a relatively swift, objective, scientific analysis and review on it. I don’t want to leave out any ideas. 

For this post, I would like to rewind the time back about 1 day ago, and treat this post as a story to explain my findings and try to put the pieces together as a detective. I certainty found the stuff I found today to be very interesting. It sort of goes to show that even the biggest scams and craziest claims has a kernel of truth and fact in them, just like so many stereotypes, urban legends, and generalizations.

A reader of the website who goes by the name “Knives” sent to me on the Natural Height Growth Facebook page a message saying that he has been doing his own extensive research on the idea of possible height increase and he had managed to find at least the supplement section for Hakker’s HUSS routine, which was something so many other Forum members had wanted to figure out and get ever since he left and closed the forums. If you want to know more about the supplements, go to the post entitled “H.U.S.S. Method For Height Increase By Hakker For Stacking Found“. Another commenter asked me about the exercise section and I find out that apparently the HUSS method may have more than just a supplement section ,but possibly also an exercise part to the method as well. I didn’t know that.

So “Knives” leaves me at the end of our exchange of emails a suggestion. Research two types of compounds, 1. Methylprotodioscin, and 2. Dimethylicartin. I have no idea what these two compounds are so I decided to just “google” the first compound’s name in and see what appears. The first search result that catches my eye is one that is directed to a forum post on ArthritisInsight.com.

The thing I found from the link was this interesting patent idea…

“harpagoside and methylprotodioscin in 5:1 ratio to relieve the symptoms and in the long run to cure arthritis”

So apparently there is another idea on how to stop the pain and cure arthritis by taking an oral supplement combination of whatever this harpagoside and methylprotodioscin at a 5:1 ratio is. That is actually sort of a really useful information to know for maybe later in life when I develop cartilage and bone problems and pain. I did only a very short google search at the harpagoside compound and it seems that it really does have some interesting medicinal and pharmaceutical effects. I will come back to doing some more research on harpagoside later, maybe in 6 months or so. 

The next google search result that was very interesting was an Alibaba.com product page, which shows me what this methylprotodioscin compound looks like (source). You can see from the database at the bottom that this compound is a really valid traditional chinese medicinal compound and apparently there are people who are supplying it on Alibaba.

Quick Details

It is actually the next link that really gets me curious. It is from Chemkind.com..

The compound methylprotodioscin is actually short for a longer chemical name methylprotodioscin myostatin 3,7-bis(2-hydroxyethyl)icaritin. This was how I realized that the Dimethylicaritin was misspelling and that it had an effect on myostatin. I remember many times on Tyler’s sight where he talked about how myostatin was something you wanted to inhibit or avoid for height increase. Kazlina in a pervious post showed that however the compound Statin was a natural compound for bone increase, but only in terms of bone mass and density. From other old posts, we find out that many body builders have used and manipulated myostatin to gain muscle mass and loss fat.

The company which sells this stuff claims …

“…plant based compounds.myostatin antagonists to cancer cures. We are a R&D team specialized on detecting plant origined material/compounds that have potent activity againist chronic diseases such as heart disease, cancer ,autoimmune and neurodegenerative diseases. Rather than offering herbal extracts suitable for long term usage with an intent of preventive means , we offer effective therapeutic cures through purified herbal and/or semi-synthetic compounds.

Fields range from diabetes both type 1 and type 2 to cancer, bone density loss , sexual problems , neurological problems , decreased brain function especially short term memory , wound healing issues, geriatric muscle loss and sarcopenia ,decreased sensory function , Alzheimers , Parkinson’s , autoimmune diseases such as MS , celiac disease etc….”

It seems that this compound is really hard to come by and has properties which helps it cure some of the most common serious pathologies like cancer and neurodegenerative diseases. When we see who the supplier is, we find a name “Can Alkoclar is an exporter of Turkey Plant Extract products“. So the obvious question is to wonder whether the name Alkoclar is the same person who was on the Grow Taller forums. When I do a quick search for the word/name “alkoclar” in google, there is only a few results and most of them are related to Turkey and Turkish Hotels. So I decided not to pursue that route.

Further search on Google reveals that it seems to be mainly from China. You can also get the compound from Mexico from a plant called Solanum rostratum (Solanaceae) (source). On the 4th page of the google results, a page from a thread off of the Grow Taller Forum shows up with this posted. Thee link however is broken from the forum being gone.

The Methylprotodioscin , Icariin, Niacin, GPLC routine