The 2nd episode for the Natural Height Quest podcast has Tyler from HeightQuest.com come on the show to discuss his own research into the endeavor of increasing our height. I am very welcomed to have him on since I’ve been following and reading on his posts for a while now to see what he has found in his discoveries.

Episode #2: Guest Tyler From HeightQuest Discusses His Research

I give a rather long introduction to the man who needs no introduction. We go into his back story, his analysis of Sky’s old work, the theory on why Lateral Synovial Joint Loading works, how his own height increase has been developing, and how the different types of loading leads to different ways for bone growth. Later on we touch upon the recent discoveries on the correlation between pregnancy and the hormone relaxin, how government regulations may cause issues with the growth plate implantation idea, and the need to find professionals in the medical field.

Along the way, the sequencing of the questions were mixed a little so it is not really in a fluid way. Hang in there with us. I think we are improving. Overall, I think the interview was a great success. Maybe next time we can answer questions from the listeners and readers who want to email in to us questions they have.

[Warning: The volume of the intro music and the our voices are way different. The music is very low and soft while out voices came out to be rather loud. You will probably need to adjust the volume. I will try to correct this problem in future episodes.]

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I have been getting quite a bit of questions to the website email recently and I have noticed that most of the questions are very similar in format, intent, or context so I thought I might be able to streamline the operations of this website even further by getting a lot of these questions already answered and posted for the reader to easily access and then leave it alone. This should make my work a lot easier

1. What types of supplements, vitamins, or pills can I take so I can grow taller?

• Refer to the section in the header called “Supplement Guide“. I hope that answers all your concerns, issues, and questions.

2. What types of exercises, routines, or programs can I do so I can increase my height?

• Refer to the sub-section entitled “Exercise Program Guide“. I hope that answers all your concerns, issues, and questions.

3. How long should I have to do the supplements or exercises before I see results like 1 inch or 2 inches of growth?

• The process will probably take at least 3X the time most people believe. The range of time before a person sees height difference changes can be from 1 month to over 2 years. It’s hard to say.

4.1. General/Average Case Studies: “Hello, I’m XXX feet/cm tall (assume height is in the bottom 50 percentile of height distribution of the society, tribe, or nation they reside in). I am XX (assume it is beyond 16 years for females and 18 years for males) years old. I want to be X-XX inches taller. Do I still have a chance to  grow? Please help me!!”

• It really does break my heart to hear the these types of stories in the emails of people who message me. All I can say is that there is always a chance but a small chance. As we grow older, that chance to have the random, spontaneous growth spurt of maybe 2-6 inches decreases dramatically. I tried to answer this question as completely, honestly, and scientifically accurate as possible through my post entitled, “Hi, I’m ENTER YOUR AGE years old. Am I Still Growing? Can I Still Grow Taller?”. All that can be suggested is to perform the exercises, stretching, good nutrition, and supplement taking from the “Supplement Guide” and “Exercise Program Guide” above and just follow this website. We are slowly, methodically going through all the data, studies, and research.

4.2. What Is The Most Height Gain One Can Achieve Through Exercises And Stretching After Puberty And Growth Plate Closure?

• To answer this question just read the post written about this exact question at “What Is The Most Height Gain One Can Achieve Through Exercises And Stretching After Puberty And Growth Plate Closure?” . Hope that answers the main question as completely as possible.

5. Who are you and what are your intentions?

• My name is Michael. I’m 28, from the USA, Seattle specifically. For the past few years I have been really interested in trying to see if I can grow taller even though I am definitely past the age of natural growth. I wrote about my own journey into research and obsession on finding a solution in many past, old posts like “My Own Personal Story For Height” and “What I Want From You, The Reader“.

6. What are you selling?

• Currently I’m selling nothing of a product that deals with height increase or how to grow taller, and that is only because I still have not found one type of method or method that has been proven within to my level of confidence that it would consistently allow a person to increase their height and grow taller, assuming of course we are not dealing with the extremely painful, expensive, time consuming, and invasive operation of leg or limb lengthening surgery.

• Maybe sometime in the future I will find something that shows to be feasible, practical, and valid in true height increase and then I will promote, advertise, and sell that type of product or service.

7. How much money are you making from doing this website?

• I am currently making absolutely no money from this venture, although maybe one day I might decide to monetize it somehow. In the past I have thought about monetizing it but I don’t have a business model on how to do it yet. There are a few donation buttons scattered throughout the webpages and posts but there is little money coming and that’s completely fine.

• Update 12/18/2012: After a lot of soul searching and thinking I have decided to monetize the website. Many of the supplement and product links on the website are now affiliate links with Amazon Affiliates. However, I always inform the reader that the links are affiliate links so they realize what they will be doing if they buy from the associate.

8. I’m thinking of buying this product or using this service I found from this website. Do you think I should do ahead and buy it?

• Please when you are referring to the product or service from a certain website, leave the url domain name in a message to the website email so I can look at it. If it is a website I have seen before and reviewed, I’ll forward you the # under the “Complete List Of Posts, All Posts” section. If It is not a product I have seen before, I might decide to write a post about the product/service being sold online on the specific website you gave me.

9. I have an idea or suggestion on how to make the website/blog even better than what it is like right now.

• Well I’d like to hear it. If it is reasonable and it seems like it will certainty improve the visitor’s and reader’s experience, I’ll try to implement it. If it seems really complicated, time consuming, or requires a lot of financial resources, I will be hesitant and probably decide not to go through with it.

10. What is the best way to reach you?

• There really is only two ways you can reach me. The obvious and easiest method is to give me an email at the website email naturalheightgrowth@gmail.com. The other way is to leave a message on the Natural Height Growth Facebook Page. I check that profile wall maybe once a week.

11. You just violated a copyright law by using one of my website’s pictures, audio, or video. I am going to sue you!

• Let’s be reasonable and see where exactly I’ve infringed on your, your companies, or your organizations’s intellectual property. I’m one person who has very limited financial resources right now. If you really wanted to go through the legal system and press charges go ahead. You won’t get anything since I have nothing and you’ll just waste money on lawyers. It’s better for us to sit down and discuss things out. All you have to do is point out which picture, audio, or video I incorrectly put on this website, I’ll act quickly and appropriately to remove all material. However, I try very hard to reference, cite, and link the sources I do use. For the pictures that I post, I either find them from “Google Images” or clip them from websites using the “Shift+Command+4” special key on the MacOS. I did not know some of the material was copyrighted if I am found guilty of any wrongdoing of using other organization’s intellectual property.

12. How can you be sure your ideas are correct?

• I’m only able to use the internet and it’s resources to give me the most relevant informtion I can find at that time. Sometimes I make the wrong conclusion and assessment only to retract my opinions from before due to new information and news that has come out. This has happened with “Public Apology To The Biomedical Growth Research Initiative” and “Was Zixia And The Qigong Method To Increase Height A Scam? A Convincing Possible Scam Or Legitimate?“. That last controversy is still a little difficult to make a conclusion on since I can’t conclude with complete confidence that Zixia was either a scam or a real height increase seeker.

13. One of the websites you listed as a scam is wrong. They are the real deal.

• Okay. I think the burden of proof is really on you since in the history of scientific research, besides limb lengthening surgery, there has not been found one serious, real, valid idea out there that have been shown to really increase the height of people who use it after they finished going through the “natural” growing process. If you can show photo’s videos, or something which gives really good evidence, then I would definitely take notice and take the website, company, and/or organization more seriously.  Until then, the side that has to prove to the other side of the validity of it’s claims is the side that says they have a method that works in increasing height.

14. How can you be so sure that XXX product/pill/company/E-Book is just a scam?

• I am relatively confident from the fact that I have managed to find reviews, download, torrent (I know, I’m bad), get from friends, and even buy these products from other people. I have looked at their claims, read the science of them trying to explain why their pill, product, or book works, and the scientific theory to validate their technique, method, or strategy is severely lacking.

15. Your website is very resourceful.

• Thank you.

16. What do you think is the area of research we should focus on to find the solution to achieving height increase after growth plate closure?

• I’m really not sure right now. There is so many possible paths we could be taking, from gene therapy, steroid stacking, growth plate transplants, PEMF application, LIPUS, Extracorporeal Shock Wave Therapy, Bone Loading Modalities, Lateral Synovial Joint Loading, Stem Cells, Tissue Engineering, Bone demineralization, Microfracture Induction, Spinal Decompression, Hormone regulation, Growth Hormone Injections, Chondrocyte Implantation, Cartilage Implantation, Growth Factor Mixture Injections, BMP Injections, etc. So far I am just casting the net of research as wide as possible.

17. I’d like to help somehow. Can I work or collaborate with you on the research or for editing the website?

• Sure. I’m only one person. I could definitely use the help in doing the research, findings, and analysis of products, ideas, and the science.

18. I’m a great fan of this website and really want to help out the cause. How can I make a  donation?

• Current I have a few donation buttons scattered around the posts and webpages of this website. I am not even sure where they are currently. Maybe you can help me locate where I had originally put those donation buttons since I forgot. Or maybe I should put a little Donations Button somewhere on the edge of the webpage so everyone will know it is there.

19. When are you going to get up the next podcast episode?

• I try not to put up new podcast episodes unless I have something new or important to share. Even then, I would more likely share that type of breaking news and research to the people who are subscribed to the website mailing list than put it as an announcement on the podcasts, although I probably might. I try to only have podcast from interviews I’ve managed to get with people who are interested in the height increase endeavor or are part of the scientific, medical, engineering, or research based communities.

20. Can you explain the Lateral Synovial Joint Loading method a little more? I don’t understand what you are supposed to do.

• I would suggest you start by reading the three old posts I wrote about the subject, “Lateral Synovial Joint Loading Explained In Simple English“, “A Simple Step By Step Guide For Lateral Synovial Joint Loading“, and “How Lateral Synovial Joint Loading Works To Increase Height From Non-Distraction: FAQs and Concerns Answered (Guest Post)“. If you are still unclear about the details and technical aspects, you can email me. However, the best advice I can give for this type of confusion on the LSJL details is to contact Tyler from HeightQuest.com himself at email tdavisradlab@hotmail.com.

21. You are a really bad writer who makes a lot of grammatical and spelling errors. Some of your sentences in the posts don’t even make any sense.

• I agree with you. I didn’t major in English in college. I am really a bad writer but I think my writing has been slowly improving a little bit and the quality in the posts I think has been getting a little better over time. Maybe one day I’ll go back to my earlier posts and correct those gramatical and spelling errors.

22. I am doing weightlifting and/or bodybuilding of some kind. Does this mean that I am stunting my growth?

• At this point in the research, the studies point to a very strong correlation. Weightlifting and bodybuilding do seem to stunt growth and/or decrease height to some effect. A post article written about this topic is “To Increase Height And Grow Taller, Should You Do Weightlifting? Does It Stunt Growth?“

Me: From a recent email that I got from another height seeker, I was informed of another website out there that promises to be able to deliver to its visitors the dream of height increase. The website is www.herbalhealthteam.co.uk.

From the start, I could start off claiming that it is another scam pulled off by people who are just trying to get the money from poor, desperate naive people who desire to be taller. However, I have been getting A LOT of emails and comments on past posts where they claim that I should not be making claims on that fact that certain products like Gloxi and GrowthMax when I have not tried out the products themselves. That is a valid enough point to show that one should not start to judgement, criticize, or condemn some person, idea, or thing because they have not tried it out themselves out.

Yeah, but I also know that I wouldn’t enjoy getting a fork stuck into my eye without without going through the experience. There is a behavior in psychology known as avoidance where people psychologically avoid in terms of thinking patterns of idea they know are harmful and destructive to their self or ego. I am practicing the same type of behavior through action by purposely avoiding websites like these.

This is the segment of their claim from the height increase page…

“Grow Tall” of course will work for people of all statures.  No matter whether you are a teenager or an adult.  An increase of 1inch to 6 inches can be obtained with the “Grow Tall” growth supplement.  “Grow Tall” has a high success rate and studies have shown that a percentage of 96 have been shown, for people between the age of 13 and 40 who have used  this unique supplement.  It has proved to be a product for height gain which of course has increased confidence and the overall well being of the persons who have taken the wise decision to use this unique formula.

I am going to stick to my claim that these product sold online, but especially any type of pill, capsule, supplement, all natural vitamin, or herb, are not effective in making people taller after they have reached physical maturity. And this website claims adults can increase their height by 1- 6 inches. That is a total lie.

Point #1: The website for herbalhealthteam.co.uk seems to sell not just height increase herbs/pills, but they also sell pills that are suppose to be able to do these miracles too…

• Improve male fertility
• Increase breast firmness
• Take weight off
• Remove lice
• Add weight on
• Whiten your skin
• Increase the size of the male penis
• Regrow hair
• Improve one’s memory
• Attract the opposite sex using “passion pheromones”

Okay, I am not going to go any further in this review because it is a clear waste of my time. If any website is willing to not only make the claim that they can give you herbs to grow taller when you are an adult, that is bad enough. However this “team” of sellers claim to also have the solution to whiten one’s skin, using “passion pheromones” to get the opposite sex for sex, and increase the size of the male penis has gone way to far. There has been enough articles that have come out to show that the pills that claim to make the male penis longer and larger are lying. I remember years ago in Late Night Television there was this infomercial about a product/pill that lead to “natural male enhancement” (aka penis enlargement) which was being advertised by 80s pornstart Ron Jeremy. However the product and company which sold the stuff was eventually convicted of legal issues (source). With the skin whitening thing, it is a very common desire for the South Asian community in the UK so maybe the UK based website is targeting the large demographic, and there is already products like “Fair and Lovely” or “Fair and Handsome” sold in many South Asian and Middle Eastern shops in the UK. For the hair regrowth part, I am not sure about. However there is absolutely no pheromone out there that actually works to attract the opposite sex. If there was, I’d want to know about it and buy a gallon full of that stuff.

Me: This idea was a very easy idea once I found the PubMed article and understood its implications. In the study we see that when glucosamine sulphate (GS) and chondroitin sulphate (CS) were used in the treatment of surgically created focal cartilage defects.

The results showed …”surfaces of the ACI-repaired sites appeared smooth and continuous with the surrounding native cartilage“. We know how hard it is for articular cartilage in the knees (and other joints) to grow, if they even do regrow at all. this showed that with either a GS & CS oral intake or injection, the articular cartilage regrew back! What we are seeing that the thickness of the cartilage layer increased, and from a axial direction, that means the human vertical has been increased, or their height has increased.

This proves for me within a 99.9% confidence level that if you did start taking both glucosamine sulfate and chondroitin sulfate you will at least regain the 1-2 mm you might have lost through the years of wear and tear on the surface of the articular cartilage in the joints. I know that my grandmother has no more cartilage in any of her knee joint ends so this would probably help her a lot. . If however the GS & CS is not supposed to be taken orally because the mineral supplements can not get to the long bone ends of the articular joints due to capillary diffusion bottleneck issues or stomach digestive acids breaking it apart, it would still work to get the mineral to be directly applied in the epiphysis region through injection and get at most 2 mm of extra height. I know, it’s not a lot of extra height increase but it is a start and I think I have proved without a shadow of a doubt of the first real supplement that can lead to some (but very little) height increase during one’s adult years.

[Note: This PubMed study has already been cited before in a previous post on this website, however I am not sure which one though.]

From the PubMed article link HERE….(For the Full Text article, click HERE)

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Eur Cell Mater. 2011 Mar 15;21:259-71; discussion 270-1.

A preliminary study of the effects of glucosamine sulphate and chondroitin sulphate on surgically treated and untreated focal cartilage damage.

A question that was posed to me a while back by Tyler was over the fact that maybe I should also be joining in and trying out the routines and programs like the LSJL method to gain the height that I desire. Well I felt like I was “put on the spot” as they call it and I wanted to clear that issue up just in case I get more request, questions, and concerns raised about it again from future doubters.

Well, I decided not to go through with any exercises and routines because of 4 main reasons.

1. I have already tried out the exercises and gotten the real height increase I had hoped for. I went from a 5′ 11.75″  max height to a 6′ 0″ max height (which is only a 0.25″ increase) so I can finally say that I am 6 foot tall if I was ever questioned by a cute girl who was judging me on my dating potential due to size. I have finally become “acceptable” for 80% of the females out there. My chances of mating has essentially quadrupled from reaching this weird society created standard height cut off point.

2. When I did the exercises years ago (2 to be exact) I actually hurt my lower back on from using the inversion table and also hurt one of my knees using the ankle weights. Those small pain and injuries have stayed around and has not gone away so I guess I could say I developed some form of chronic musculoskeletal issue with my lower back and knees because of my height obsession years ago where I did use the machines and exercises. That has taught me a lesson and made me avoid trying out those crazy height increase devices from this point on. I think I have developed a healthy avoidance behavior to those things.

3. From being in a Asian country for the last half year, I realize that I am probably taller than 90% of the people of the country I’m in. It helps keep things in perspective and I realize that in some countries, I might even be considered “tall” which is really surprising.

4. I am in my last 20s now (28) and I sort have been able to accept my size and I don’t feel like I need to be any bigger to prove to anyone else of my sense of worth through height. I’m most happy with how big I am now.

[Note: This article post will also be a webpage/section of the website so it will be continuously edited and added upon as the site evolves. Maybe new supplements and minerals will be found]

[Warning: If you choose to buy supplements, food, or any form of “drug” due to the advice of this website/webpage you do so at your own risks. Me and my team at Natural Height Growth will not be held liable for any illness, injury, and even possible death that can result from you taking the recommended substances.]

Frequent Question To Me: What Supplements, Vitamins, And Pills Should I Take To Increase My Height And Grow Taller? Or something similar to that nature of a question.

My Answer: I think it is time to try to answer this extremely difficult question as well as I can now. I’ m going to try to fulfill this herculean task once and for all. For the longest time I have been trying to avoid writing this post because I have only been researching only on the techniques an ideas on how to invasively increase your height after you have reached adulthood and your growth plates have ossified and disappeared.

Supplements, Vitamins, Minerals, Formulas, Potions, Mixtures, Pills, Capsules, Steroids, Drugs, Compounds, Liquids, Drinks, Herbs, Plants, Animal Parts, Organic, Nutritional, Non-Toxic, FDA Approved, All Natural, Growth Hormones, these are all terms you have probably typed into google, bing, yahoo, or any other internet search engine because you wished to find a quick, easy, simple solution to your desire to be taller. You want something you can take orally through your mouth and you want the results fast.

Well it’s not going to happen, at least easily. Read the old post “There Is No Magic Bullet”

However there may be the readers who are still young, maybe in their teens from 16-18 who still has a few years left of growth. If they go to check with the endocrinologist they will be told that they still have a little bit of growth plates left.

Three critical sources used are “How to grow taller if your growth plates are still open” (1), “Lateral Synovial Joint Loading Supplement Guide” (2), and “How much can supplements help with LSJL?” (3), all from HeightQuest.com.

[Note 2: I know there are a lot more supplements, vitamins, and minerals that are listed in other places but I will not start to add them until I have done my own research on the compounds]

[Note 3: The links below will be linked to the Amazon Associates Program which makes the website act as an affiliate link to the Amazon store. If you choose to click on them and buy through the link, the website will be getting a commision from your purchase. Overall, the purchase price of the Amazon product will not be  increased. Thank you.]

So this guide is specifically created in 2 sections, one for the people who are still growing, and another section which is for people who are completely done with the natural traditional growth process.

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Section 1: For the people who are STILL growing

Supplements…

• Alfalfa – Dosage: Go with instead 300 mg Ipriflavone (source), (2), Other sources: source, , source 
  
• Astragalus – Dosage: Unknown at this time (source) – Other sources: source, source, source, source
• Calcium Phosphate – Dosage: Unknown at this time (source) – Other sources: source
  
• Chondroitin Sulphate – Dosage: Unknown at this time – Other sources: (1), (2) 
  
• Chrysin – Dosage: Unknown at this time – Other sources: source
  
• Creatine – Dosage:Unknown at this time – Other sources:(2)
• Folic Acid – Dosage: Unknown at this time – Other sources: (2) –
• Glucosamine Sulphate – Dosage:1000 mg -2000 mg daily – Other sources: (2), source, source  
• Hyaluronic Acid – Dosage: Unknown at this time – Other sources: (1), (2), source  
• L-Dopa – Dosage: Unknown at this time (source)  – Other sources: source, source
• Leptin – Dosage: Unknown at this time – Other sources: (2) 
• Lithium – Dosage: Unknown at this time – Other sources: (2) – (Prescription Needed)
• Melatonin – Dosage:3 mg before bed. Take every odd day, take melatonin every odd day before sleep, Melatonin helps decrease excess estrogen and promotes good sleep (source) – Other source: (2), source, source
  
• Niacin (Non-Flush, aka Vitamin B3) – Dosage: Taking niacin for prolonged periods causes the liver to get used to it and requires you to increase the dosage, but increasing dosage above 500 mg will damage your liver a lot!
• So to get around this, we have two options:
• 1) Take 250mg – 500mg every odd day upon waking up. Then eat breakfast 3 hours later. Crucial.
• 2) Take 250mg upon waking up as above. And then Take another 250mg 3 hours after supper but before bed. Every odd day.*
• When do I take it? In order for the Niacin to properly work, it is recommended to take on an empty stomach, 3+ hours after eating or in the morning upon waking up. After taking the niacin, you cannot eat for another 3 hours so it is best to take it at night before bed or morning right after waking up (source) –  Other sources: (2), source, source, source 
• Quercetin – Dosage: Unknown at this time – Other sources: (2) [Update: Don’t take Quercetin w/ Lithium since their effects inhibit each other.
  
• Reservatrol – Dosage: Unknown at this time – source, source
• Royal Jelly – Dosage:1500 mg, 1 per day (source), (2), source, source, source, source 
• Vitamin D3 – Dosage:1000 IU per 25 pounds of body weight (source) – Other sources: source, source
  
• Vitamin K2 – Dosage: 1 capsule (2000mcg) daily (source) – Other sources: source

Foods…

• Milk – source (found at your local food market)
• Sophorae Beans – (2), source 1 (found at your local food market)
• Velvet Beans (aka Mucuna Pruriens) – contains 40mg/g of L-DOPA (source), source, source (found at your local food market)

Foods To Avoid…

• Soy Based Foods – Tofu, Soy Sauce, Tofu derivatives- This is due to the phyto-estrogens inside soy based foods – (website post about link between soy based foods and inhibited growth)
• Tomatoes – Avoid It (source)
• Broad Beans – Avoid It (source)

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Section 2: For the people who are FINISHED growing, with Closed Growth Plates…

If you really wanted to try supplements, vitamins, and pills even though your growth plate cartilage are completely gone, you can still start trying the listing below and see what happens.

[Update #2 5/27/2013: I recently wrote a post that has given my opinion that there is probably not going to be a single type of compound a person can ingest which will allow them to grow taller after growth plate closure. It is “No Chemical, Supplement, Pill, Or Vitamin Ingested Orally Can Increase Height Or Make Someone Grow Taller After Growth Plate Closure”. This post was where I decided to STOP RECOMMENDING the supplements below this message for adult height increase.]

Note 5: I recently found on the LSJL Forums a thread that was started that claims that my website, Natural Height Growth is a “semi-scam”. The thread is entitled “HEIGHT QUEST AND NATURAL HEIGHT GROWTH=SEMI SCAMMERS“. I can assure the person named “panos” who wrote the thread that this website is not a “semi-scam”. Refer to an very old post which I wrote many months ago entitled “Am I A Scam?” which I decided to update from reading your thread, which I will put at the top of this website for all future cynics and non-believers. For anyone else who wants to criticize me, this website, and the endeavor, read that post before you speak.

[Note 4: Height growth is NOT guaranteed, but theoretically possible….]

• Astragalus – Dosage: Unknown at this time (Possible reason for effectiveness)
• Glucosamine Sulphate – Dosage:1000 mg -2000 mg daily – (Possible reason for effectiveness)
• Hyaluronic Acid – Dosage: Unknown at this time- (Possible reason for effectiveness) 

[Update #1: Due to new evidence in research, I have decided NOT to recommend quercetin as a height increase supplement because I don’t believe it will be effective from my personal research]

• Quercetin – Dosage:  – (Possible reason for effectiveness)